Insulin Resistance recovery

[mward]

Jean,
A couple of things come to mind with the swelling. My first thought is the homeopathic remedy, nux vomica. I would give nux 30c twice a day for 3 days to support the liver clearing. You could repeat this as needed when she reacts to the environment. With time I would expect her to become less sensitive.
Another remedy to consider is Apis30c also given twice a day for 3 days. Both have some personality changes that look like annoyance. Madalyn

[javezac]

Do you sell these products? I will get them right away. I started her on B-12 again only for a few weeks.- and will begin IMMUNIX for her immune system. What do you think about this product IMMUNIX? It is homapathic? The company is Emerald Valley- this is where I get my speedi beet from.

jean

[mward]

Jean,
You should be able to get these homeopathic remedies from any health food store that carries homeopathics. I am not familiar with the Immunix. Be careful about changing your program if it is working. Too many supplements can throw the horse's system out of balance. Herbs are especially likely to stress the liver if you give too many or the wrong ones. Madalyn

[javezac]

okay- I will make note of this. I am going to try the IMmunix for 14 days as prescribed. I may pull her off the laminae 911 due to no signs of pain. I will follow up with you later to let you know if the swelling has come down in her eyes.

I think when she comes home - I am hoping for a miracle.

Thanks,
jean

[javezac]

I think your very right about giving a horse too many herbs- the Laminae 911 is great for when the horse is in pain or sore- but on the label it says- do not give long term and may cause kidneys to be stressed.
I am going to wait on giving her the Immunix until we move her. She is showing much improvement. With the exception of the swelling over and under eyes. It has come down some.

I want to see how she does when we move her. I am going to wait to even give her the supplements you suggested. Your right about the program and not changing it. She seems to be doing better on the linpro and quienssence, source, 1 scoop of flax supplement and MSM. This is all she is getting right now. Again, this is mixed with 2 handfuls of wheat bran and timothy pellets. And- speedi beet fed separetly.

We move in a few weeks-Dr. greg Ugarti will be out again to do a recheck and then we should be good.

Thanks, jean

[javezac]

Hi Madalyn,

Well we moved her closer to my home. She is in a bigger stall and seems to be adjusting quite well. The swelling above her eyes and below have come down quite abit. My question is this- do we keep her on the same regiment of supplementation forever.

I am curious. I am in no way stopping what we give her on a daily basis. Just a question.

Thank you for this website and your support through this time in my horses life. I feel much stronger now that I have gone through this. Thank you once again.

Jean

[mward]

Jean,
As long as your mare is on maintenance levels of the supplements I would stay the course. If you find you have to increase supplements to keep symptoms from returning then you may want to re evaluate. Glad things are going so well and thanks for keeping us posted. Madalyn

[javezac]

Hi Madalyn-

I have sinced moved my horse back to her old barn- she is doing much better in the sense- she is alert and feeling good. However, after 2 weeks one evening after feeding- she appeared to be having some gas colic. I called the vet immediatley- I was fortunately able to relieve her symtoms after some trigger therapy near the anus- which she blew alot of air out. By time the vet came she was looking normal. We administered Banamine 1000 cc- and oiled her down. Withdrew all her food.

That happened at 2nd week of April.

So- this past week- on Tuesday/June 1st she layed down at 6:20 pm- the owner gave a shot of banamine- she was up within a 1/2 hour eating- by time I got there- she looked down but not in pain- the next few days- she seemed under but nothing to call a vet about. It has been quite hot here during the day- cool in the evening.

I rode her finally on Friday- not hard- she pooped alot- THis was good.

Okay- Here is the question:

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG IN THE FEEDING REGIMENT- I HAVE CHANGED NOTHING. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY- GAS COLIC-?

SHE eats AM/PM

2 flakes of orchard
2flakes of timothy

2 wells (smart pak) lin pro supplemtn
2 wells of quienssence
1 well of MSM
2 hand ful of oat bran
1 cup of flax- equine challenge


By the way- she is off her supplements- giving only mineral oil, oat bran mash, mixed with probiotic and immunix- from emerald valley.

Another question- I heard Banamine can induce laminitic symtoms in IR horses? IS this true?

Sorry -I have too much to say!!!

Jean

[mward]

Jean,
I don't see anything in the diet to cause a gas colic but any confined horse is subject to an occasional colic. It sounds like the light work helped so I would focus on more regular exercise.
Are you sure there was no change like vaccines or a new horse introduced or one taken away in the barn? Madalyn

[javezac]

Its good to hear from you.

To answer your question- Yes- I gave her panacur over the weekend and she had a bout of gas colic on Monday night. I am trying to ride more than 4 days a week- I am down to 3 days. but, she is in a 24x48 corral.
Also, the weather has been really hot up in the mts, and then cold at night. I generally can get up there during the day to hose her off- and give her some hay if needed.

As far as excercise:
She can roll and get a good few strides in there. Since we moved- she is in familair surroundings, but she is not with Bella who used to be her barn mate- but she has a new fellow, thought, that she has become extremely attatched to.

She has been off her feed for 2 days now- I am giving her less than 1/4 cup of mineral oil, pro-bios, and 1/2 can of oat bran. Thats it. I plan to start her again on her supplements again-

Do think I should have kept her on the pre/pro bios supplement?

I am having Joan Winters DVM holistic vet out to do a check up on her- and maybe some accupunture. I just want to make sure I am doing what I can do for her. Believe me I do not want to go back to where we came from. too much heartache to see this beauty look so sick.

When the vet comes out- do want me to have her check anything? or leave it alone.

[javezac]

Madalyn-

Is banamine considered to be a no no for Insulin resitant horses? After she had the shot- she was very wobbly on her back end- and kinda of limping on the leg. She of course can put weight on it and move off of it- there was limited motion in it- meaning when you turned her on her right side- so the leg would have to come out to support her- she really did not want to bring it out- so there was limited range of motion in the limb.

Not sure?

[mward]

Jean,
I am a strong believer in daily pre and probiotics. I like the Simplexity Essentials, Digestive Product Probios or KLPP . I am sure there are other good products but there are also many that have little benefit. I feel the daily gut support is an insurance policy because we don't really know what is going to come up at any time to stress the horse. It seems your horse had several stressful events that could have triggered the colic.
I would stop the mineral oil and get back on your supplements plus a good probiotic.
One shot of banamine is not likely to cause any problem but repeated doses will be detrimental to an IR horse. Madalyn

[javezac]

Hi Madalyn,

Thank you once again for your support while my horse is recovering from last year. To update my horses condition- I have since then moved back to her old barn closer to my home. This has made things much easier in caring for her. She has not colic since the last time I blogged. Thank goodness. But this brings me to my next question.

I have a concern with my horses eating schedule. I found out the new hired hand cannot feed our horses until 6:30pm during the week. He feeds at 8:30 in the morning. Because I cannot get up there until the afternoon-

Should I feed her 3 flakes of orchard in the morning and 3 flakes of orchard at night.

She still has a slight cresty neck- slight swelling around the eyes, and swelling near her flanks- I have noticed when something is off- these parts of her body start to swell? Is this common in IR horses.

The only thing here that keeps me encouraged is that she is back to her same old self- loves to go out on the trail- has more energy than Seattle slew.

Since we last spoke- I have not changed any of her supplements- this seems to be helping her.

[mward]

I don't think I would change anything if your horse has great energy and no laminitis. Only increase the hay if the work load increases. So glad things are going well. Madalyn